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The Empire has been sitting on its ass for decades, knowing exactly what the Thalmor were doing and doing nothing to intervene. This was not a strategic move, this was not a necessary one, it was an act of cowardice, a safety net which Skyrim and her people cannot withstand any longer.

Do we need it any less now than we did when the Concordat was signed? Is it keeping us any less safe? No, and I do not mean to imply that. But it isn't going to get any better while we sit and do nothing.

It is bound, as the Thalmor's painstaking efforts to remain installed in Skyrim tell us, to get worse. Maybe vastly.

If the Empire showed, in any way, that they were willing to take the Stormcloaks' concern seriously and come to a conclusion without the threat of a civil war, I would maybe change my opinion.

But they never have. Not since the Concordat was signed. Do they not say, behind closed doors, that they realize that the Thalmor is being unfair?

They are Talos worshipers themselves, yet they allow blasphemy and persecution against his name to run amok. They are too scared to fight.

Too worried about a retaliation. But it's time to be rid of the fear. And the time to treat the Empire as a simple boundary instead of a threat ended right when they tried to cut off my king's head.

It's time for a conclusion. And if that conclusion results in greater bloodshed, it will not have been in vain. This is not the time for ifs and maybes.

Possibilities could go either way, and abstract musings are not a reason to refrain from battle.

It is the time for action. I will not stand with the Imperials and allow that action to be squelched beneath the boot of ifs and maybes.

I will fight. Fight the Thalmor and their presence, fight you and your brethren, fight injustice and fight fear. And I will be victorious, and know that I made the right decision.

No matter what happens. I think Ralof put it best when he said in the beginning of the game, "Imperial walls used to make me feel so safe.

I played as an Imperial in Oblivion. The Empire has essentially bent over and pulled their pants down for the Thalmor.

They have bent the rules of the legislation to act as the puppet masters or the puppet government that is the Empire. They even have the nerve to show their faces at the peace conference in High Hrothgar.

That conference is purely in place to allow the Dragonborn to trap Odahviing, nothing else, no mention of any Talos worshiping. I have lost all faith in the Empire to provide any true sense of government to any of the regions in Tamriel.

If you play Imperial storyline, there are quite many hints, said by Legate Rikke or General Tullius, that it isn't done with the Thalmor.

Maybe Empire has been "sitting on its ass for decades" because exactly of this revolution of Ulfric? Maybe they were waiting for the uprising to calm down, so Empire and Skyrim could rejoin?

Nobody can defeat Thalmor alone - Empire surely can't, Hammerfell is only defending, and Skyrim would fall. Because Ulfric's racism would turn on him - true Nords' army would be too small and really not big enough to face Thalmor, no matter what.

I've played the game in two saves. The first time I was a High-Elf Stormcloak dumb, I know - but I wanted to be a mage and the second time I was a Nord and I decided to side with the Empire just for balance, to see what it was like.

There is nothing wrong with high elf Stormcloaks. That is what I did on my first play through. On my second, now I am still high elf, but I am not planning on picking sides in the war.

I agree with the others who said that the best chance to defeat the Thalmor is with the Empire. And on the topic of Talos, one of the big reasons for the war, the Empire was not enforcing the ban on his worship at all, as stated by Jarl Baalgruf himself.

Then Ulfric came along and made it a big deal, which attracted the Thalmor to stop out his worship on their own.

If you think Ysmir smiles when his sons and daughters defend an institution that has bowed its head and allowed defamation of his name, allowed his worship to be reduced to a shameful whisper, you are sorely mistaken.

If you love Talos you will worship him, and you will allow others to, you will make no, honor no, acknowledge no contract that even mentions outlawing his worship.

This is not a matter of logistics. This is a matter of honor and respect. Talos would not want a war to be fought in his name, but I believe wholly that he would support a war fought for our freedom to love him openly and without fear of repercussion.

My allegiance comes out of a necessity to defend Skyrim. All Ulfric will do is make the situation with the Thalmor worse.

The Empire has a much higher chance at defeating the Aldmeri Dominion after the civil war than the Sormcloaks. Believe it or not, The Dominion actually want the stormcloaks to win, as it would weaken the Empire giving them a larger chance to take over the world.

Also, if Skyrim would cooperate, and join the Empire, they could have a much stronger army and would be able to defeat the Dominion much easier.

Honestly, the best decision is to remain impartial, it might not be as fun as destroying the Empire or Stormcloaks, but it's the most rational decision.

This is such bullshit. How can you think this? The White-Gold Concordat was signed 26 years before Torygg was defeated. These entire 26 years, Skyrim was a part of the Empire, and Skyrim was talking of a rebellion before Torygg was challenged.

There was time for the Empire to do something, time for Skyrim to work with the Empire. The opportunities which were given to the Empire to absolve this have passed.

Even disregarding this, do you honestly think that if the civil war ended now, in the midst of things, that the Empire would take back Skyrim and eventually defeat the Thalmor?

The Thalmor would order the lot of them slaughtered. Executed, with no trial and no second chance. Because they don't care.

Because they've never cared. You let the Stormcloak army fight, they will fight until they are defeated. You tell the Stormcloak army to back down and go back living how they were, and they will not fight for you.

The Thalmor will make sure they make plenty of examples of the lot, and every diplomat even remotely involved with the rebellion will be executed without a second thought.

Skyrim is but a brick and The Empire is the wall. Jesus Christ, did you read anything I said? Obviously if Skyrim fought with the Empire to overthrow the Thalmor, they'd have a better chance than if they'd do it themselves.

I never said that wasn't true. That isn't the point. That has not been an option for some time now. The Empire lost to the Thalmor miserably in the Great War.

They pussied out and quit half way through. The Empire is a bunch of pussies. There is no other way to put it. They backed down from the Thalmor, who obviously could have been defeated, if the Hammerfell Warriors managed it.

I have a lot of admiration for Hammerfell, which is why I think a disconnect from the Empire and alliance with Hammerfell would be very good for Skyrim.

I don't think that the Empire is capable of doing anything heroic or courageous now. If the Empire took on the Thalmor, there would have to be a huge change of attitude and leadership to get anything actually done.

Though Hammerfell is a divided bunch of kingdoms now, and they don't really owe allegiance to anyone. Yeah, Thalmor is such a dictator, and it's pushing Skyrim so hard, that even in Whiterun, the heart of Skyrim, there's a man, who shouts all day all night about worshipping Talos.

Damn, now that's really big oppression. Oh, yeah, because the Thalmor has never done anything else bad and will never do anything bad in the future.

If you want to make a case for the Imperials, that's one thing, but if you want to make a case for the Thalmor, that's another.

If you think that the Thalmor have no real presence in Skyrim, you're wrong. Thalmor agents carrying prisoners to be executed re: murdered or tortured are a common sight in the west.

They hold Skyrim's citizens captive and do it completely of their own accord. They want someone out of the way, they will.

They don't have to report to anyone. They have their own perfect guise, and no one in the Empire is willing to do anything about it. The actual unacceptability of the outlawing of Talos worship is much more nuanced than that and requires the belief that freedom of religion is worth fighting over, so I won't get too much into that, but believe me, the Thalmor are doing harm in Skyrim, and they won't stop any time soon.

And what would you do if you were Thalmor? You've made a deal with the Empire, but some Nords are being cocky and breaking it in open day!

Even more, some racist man makes an uprising, and the land is in total chaos! What would you do? Sit in your capital, pretend to not see what's happening?

They just work silently, kill some of the major figures in this thing, interrogates people, but they're trying to minimalize the number of victims, which would be great.

They don't march in cities with huge armies, burn half of the city, kill almost all citizens, capture Jarl and replace him with one of their one, interrogate everybody publicly and torture everybody who doesn't please them.

By the way, don't think of me as Thalmor fan! I really don't like them, and I dream as every player of Skyrm one day to fully destroy them, but I just want to look at it from neutral side and discuss it here.

The Thalmor fucking murder people. No, they are not being merciful. They torture behind closed doors. Kidnap without a word. And they do it with the Empire's complete cooperation.

Do you think the beginning of the Holocaust was okay? Not all Jews were killed, just some, and even then the majority of them were simply taken to work camps.

Do you think that was "being merciful"? That was a prelude to something much worse, just as the Thalmor's presence in Skyrim is.

Their demand that Skyrim be free of Talos worship was dictatorial in the first place. It has gotten worse. It will get worse. Dude, look at dark elves in Windhelm.

Talk to them about Ulfric - every elf will say how racist Ulfric is. He forces elves to live in shitty houses, and he doesn't even let argonians and khajiit into city.

This isn't racist? There's no reason to believe that the Dunmer were forcibly pushed there instead of incidentally. Windhelm is a walled city, and the Snow Quarter was the only area that was not fully inhabited by the time Red Mountain erupted.

The Dunmer are there because they had no other place to go, not because they were forced to go there. Their poverty compared to the rest of Windhelm's may be a shame, but compared to the actual city of Windhelm, it's not massive.

To be expected, even, and the only thing that could properly right it is relocating the tenets to places where their past professions could actually earn them some coin.

I don't know why they choose to stay in the Grey Quarter, but that's what's crippling them. Windhelm had a prosperous economy before they came in, and to readjust it so everyone could get enough money and still put enough food on the table would be very, very difficult.

Obviously, because of this situation there's little to no room for the Argonian population. If we tried to cram them into the Grey Quarter, they'd fight with the Dunmer the two races dislike each other very strongly.

So they live by the docks as most of them are dockworkers by trade , in the Argonian Assemblage.

They are not going to march into Skyrim and start murdering people without a reason. That would violate the Concordat and the Empire would be forced to declare war on them.

So a weakened Empire fights the Dominion, an army that kicked their ass 30 years ago, and then what happens? The Empire has been situated under the Thalmor for too long to trust that the Dominion won't be able to again make a mockery of them.

What they're doing now is far more insidious. They were unfortunately forced to abolish the worship of Talos in the process.

They felt that they had to in order to prevent more deaths and a more damaging and lengthy war. You receive a lot of really good weapons and armour while on quests and when joining the legion that you can sell for quite a hefty bounty.

You may also find that guards and Imperial soldiers bother you less when you enter a city. In order to support the Imperials, you have to deny the right to worship and the original culture of Skyrim.

If you struggle with bending your moral compass this may be an issue. When you enter the game, Ulfric Stormcloak has recently killed the King and you are in a cart with him, Ralof, and Lokir ready to be beheaded.

The Stormcloaks believe that the Empire betrayed Skyrim by signing the agreement that ended the Great War. According to the rebels, the Empire is corrupted by the Aldmeri Dominion and is therefore a threat to the Nordic way of life.

When the Jarls and Leaders received chests of gold in order to support the treaty, the Stormcloaks viewed the Nord Imperial supporters as bought by the Empire and traitors to Skyrim.

You can certainly argue that fighting for the rights of the Nordic members of Skyrim is a morally-sound adventure. After having their right to religion and true culture taken away, siding with those looking to reestablish that could certainly help your chances of getting to Sovngarde Nordic afterlife.

If you see the true playout after the civil war, siding with the Stormcloaks could very well result in freedom for those in Tamriel from the Empire.

This would also mean no longer being bound by the rules of the Thalmor. You were trying to cross the border when you walked into an Imperial ambush, leading to your subsequent death.

The main idea of the Stormcloaks is that they want to have Skyrim back under the control of the Nords. Who do you usually side with and why?

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